Hey guys,

after reading up on selfhosting for weeks now I finally decided to take the plunge today and tried setting up my own nextcloud & jellyfin instances. For this purpose I am using a mini PC. (similiar to an Intel NUC)

Now I would like to make both services available to the internet so I could show images to friends while I’m at their place / watch movies with them.

The problem is I am currently not very educated on which security measures I would have to take to ensure that my server / mini PC doesn’t immediately become an easy target for a hacker, especially considering that I would host private photos on the nextcloud.

After googling around I feel like I find a lot of conflicting information as well as write-ups that I don’t fully grasp with my limited knowledge so if you guys have any general advice or even places to learn about all these concepts I would be absolutely delighted!

Thank you guys sooo much in advance for any and all help, the c/selfhosted community has been nothing but a great resource for me so far!!!

    • RxBrad@lemm.eeEnglish
      5·
      1 year ago

      Cloudflare is nice if your ISP uses CGNAT or blocks incoming port traffic (e.g. Starlink or T-Mobile 5G Home Internet).

      • foonex@feddit.deEnglish
        4·
        1 year ago

        I see. That‘s a valid use case. Although, in the spirit of self-hosting, I personally would either get another ISP or run a reverse proxy on a cheap VPS and connect the homeserver to that via Wireguard.

        • RxBrad@lemm.eeEnglish
          1·
          1 year ago

          I actually do use raw Wireguard on an Oracle VCN instance so I can share my Plex on T-Mobile Home Internet.

          (Plex is against Cloudflare’s ToS, which is why I don’t use them for Plex)

          Tailscale is good for people who are techy enough to use it. But it’s not much help for my grandma if she wants to watch a Plex movie on her Roku.

    • ttk@feddit.deEnglish
      2·
      1 year ago

      Two remarks:

      • Containers are (and never were) no security instruments but only fancy ways of bundling things
      • You can open up other ports to the internet if you know what you’re doing. My SSH is open to the internet, but only with key based auto, and in case i need pw auth as a backup, only with 2FA enabled
      • foonex@feddit.deEnglish
        1·
        1 year ago

        So, putting a process in its own network, file-system, user etc. namespace does not increase security in your opinion?

        • ttk@feddit.deEnglish
          1·
          1 year ago

          Indeed. Sure, they have these features, but only if used correctly while introducing vast more complexity (especially when being executed in a k8s environment,but also executed in plain docker). But, you know what also has security when used correctly? Plain linux.

          What about 90% of all images on docker hub executing their main payload as root? What about many images bundling unnecessary software like an init system? What about the fact that even if you rm something in a dockerfile, it is still present, if you execute the rm in a different RUN command? What about every user in the docker group being implicit root on the host since they simply can mount the host’s / inside their container? What about the reusing of layers between images like it is even intended?

          Doesnt sound like a security tool, does it? Sure, it feels a bit like one, but it was never intended to be one, but a dependency and environment bundling tool which happens to use certain linux APIs which can be used for security. But it wraps lots of abstraction around it.

          If you want to use these features for security, access them manually. But, OP said they are kind of a noob. Telling them to just use containers is dangerous and leads to false assumptions.

          Source: i work as a cloud/container/devops/k8s expert for over 5 years.

          • foonex@feddit.deEnglish
            1·
            1 year ago

            If you want to use these features for security, access them manually. But, OP said they are kind of a noob. Telling them to just use containers is dangerous and leads to false assumptions.

            You are absolutely correct. I should have stated explicitly that I didn’t mean docker and/or using pre-built container images. I was talking about something like systemd-nspawn. And you are right that I should not have brought this up in this context. I will edit my original comment.

            • foonex@feddit.deEnglish
              1·
              1 year ago

              Great, I accidentally deleted my original comment because the Lemmy web interface doesn’t ask for confirmation when you click the delete button. And the buttons are so small on mobile that it‘s really easy to click the wrong button.

    • ripe_banana@lemmy.worldEnglish
      71·
      1 year ago

      In the spirit of selfhosting, you can also host headscale. Its an open source implementation of the proprietary tailscale control plane.

      It allows you to get over the 5 device limit (different depending on tiers), as well as keep your traffic on your devices. And, imo, it is pretty stable.

      The only issue is that the control plane (by nature) has to be publically accessible. But imo it’s way less of a security target than a massive app like nextcloud.

      Edit: device limits were wrong

    • Plod@programming.devEnglish
      21·
      1 year ago

      Another vote for Tailscale. Relatively easy to set up and can has some pretty cool features I’m still learning about. I also share my Jellyfin server with family and friends and it meets expectations.

        • Plod@programming.devEnglish
          1·
          1 year ago

          Yea basically so I send an invite link for my Jellyfin server. They sign up and install the app then use the Tailscale IP to connect to the Jellyfin server. Usually pretty easy but if they don’t really understand I can do it for them once and then it’s good to go.

    • foonex@feddit.deEnglish
      2·
      1 year ago

      Could you please be more specific what exactly Crowdsec brings to the table? In which way does it “secure the network”?

      • das@lemellem.dasonic.xyzEnglish
        2·
        1 year ago

        Crowdsec will analyse the logs from your reverse proxy and identify malicious actors, bots and whatever else you configure it to. It then tells a “bouncer” (part of your reverse proxy) to reject the request, block the IP or redirect them to a captcha.

        The downside is that it’s kinda a pain to get set up, at least in my experience. It also stopped working without informing me and I’ve never been able to get it working again since. If you don’t use docker the experience might be a bit easier.

    • MaggiWuerze@feddit.deEnglish
      2·
      1 year ago

      There’s even a Traefik Plugins for crowdsec. I guess it’s time to play with my Traefik Config again

  • u_tamtam@programming.devEnglish
    3·
    1 year ago

    As soon as you put something up online, you will de facto become a target with nowhere to hide except offline. Your IP will be known and constantly hammered by more or less serious threats.

    If you don’t know the basics of Linux system administration and typical security measures, I would propose 2 approaches: you can go “the NAS way” and purchase something turnkey like a Synology (or anything on which you can easily spin up containers to host your services). You can expect a large part of the administration to be taken care of with sound default settings.

    Another approach is to use a beginner friendly distro like https://yunohost.org/ , perhaps more involving, more risky, bit more rewarding.

    Also, don’t put anything up there like personal or valuable information (except if encrypted with local-only keys), expect to be hacked, expect to be wiped, and think early on about (off-site) backups.

    • gornius@lemmy.worldEnglish
      1·
      1 year ago

      Yup, if you have SSH service open on port 22, you’re automatically spammed by bots trying to brute force their way onto the system.

      • u_tamtam@programming.devEnglish
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        1 year ago

        They’ll brute force ssh against any port, tbf, changing 22 to something else will not buy you much :)

  • HTTP_404_NotFound@lemmyonline.comEnglish
    1·
    1 year ago

    Just make sure you know how to properly secure your network, check logs, ensure you have logs. ensure you have backups in a secure location…

    And, be prepared for the constant barrage of vulnerability scans, and login attempts.

  • brvslvrnst@lemmy.mlEnglish
    1·
    1 year ago

    My approach was to set it all up internally, create a wireguard VPN accesspoint and only open that up. That way I don’t have as much to worry as much within the network (still use generated passwords for things) and able to access it anywhere.

    Granted, you asked about opening up to the www. I’d suggest buying a domain through cloudfront, setting up an nginx instance that proxies traffic (think nextcloud.mydomain.com), and have it only accept connections from cloudfront servers.

    That allows you SSL termination, pretty good bot coverage, and a nice domain name to share as needed.

  • Reborn2966@feddit.itEnglish
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    1 year ago

    i have a lot of stuff exposed to the web. i got a domain from godaddy, attached my public ip and created a subdomain for each service. than i have traefik that manage the tls and route each subdomain to each of the docker containers.

    in total i have exposed 80, 443, and a random port i use for ssh. of course ssh is only by public key.

    now i’m trying to set up fail2ban on the exposed services since someone could bruteforce them.

    my whole server configuration: https://github.com/simone-viozzi/my-server

  • datallboy@lemmy.techhaven.ioEnglish
    0·
    1 year ago

    It comes down to using secure passwords, 2 factor authentication, and updating software as soon as you can.

    Check out Cloudflare’s zero tier tunnel to only expose the services you need without port forwarding. Added benefit of masking your home’s IP behind Cloudflare to prevent DDOS. Only downside is you need your own domain.

    • foonex@feddit.deEnglish
      1·
      1 year ago

      Why would anyone DDOS a random home server? I don‘t think OP has to worry about that.

      • jrandiny@lemmy.worldEnglish
        1·
        1 year ago

        Depends on the hardware, but my weak server can sometimes be overwhelmed with random ip trying to find a vulnerable service (accessing random port and path combination)

  • Kekin@lemy.lolEnglish
    0·
    1 year ago

    The other day I learned about endlessh. I set that up, switched my actual sshd to listen on a different port, and the ssh login attempts from randoms essentially went down to 0. Pretty neat.

      • winged_fluffy@kbin.social
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        1 year ago

        Nah, as long as you keep following recommended security practices it can be useful to get rid of unneeded load being put on your server by malicious bots.
        I had a lot of problems with botnets hammering my SSH service on my private VPS. Moving it to a different port would only work for a few days before they’d be back at it again.

        I wasn’t worried they’d get in. But logging in to my server would take ages because it was under so much load (VPS is pretty low-spec). Finally decided to shove my SSH service behind port knocking. Got rid of all the bots knocking at my door.

        Obscurity has its uses, as long as you don’t consider it a replacement for security. It’s just an additional tool.

  • wedge_film@lemmy.dbzer0.comEnglish
    01·
    1 year ago

    General advice would be to look boring and hide your IP as much as you are able (get a domain). As long as you’re not looking juicy you won’t attract skilled attention. It’s like locking a bike, most bad actors will just pass by looking around for one without a lock or a real fancy one worth their resources.

    You can utilize Cloudflare’s free offerings, starting with simple stuff. Their DNS Proxy is essentialy a single-click but will help substantially. You can build on top of that with simple WAF rules, such as droping connection attempts from IPs originating from countries notorious for “poking around”. You can also reverse that rule and whitlelist only your country.

    Keep your firewall tight, don’t expose other ports, put your services behind a reverse proxy and redirect everything to HTTPS. Start simple, constantly improve, learn more advanced methods/concepts.

    • Poutinetown@lemmy.caEnglish
      0·
      1 year ago

      How is getting a domain protecting you IP? Wouldn’t your IP still be accessible even after you link it to a domain?

      • khornechips@yiffit.netEnglish
        01·
        1 year ago

        Yes, but by proxying your traffic via cloudflare your domain will point to their IP instead of yours directly.

        • Poutinetown@lemmy.caEnglish
          0·
          1 year ago

          So it makes you IP less discoverable. However, if someone finds your IP randomly (through brute force), would you still be vulnerable? Or is it possible to only port forward to a static CF address so only CF can connect to you outside of your home network?

          • tarjeezy@lemmy.caEnglish
            01·
            1 year ago

            You’d set your firewall rules to only accept requests from the cloudflare datacenter IPs for those port forwards. So, the ports would be otherwise blocked to anyone else trying to access them directly.