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At various times, most social media platforms have received criticism for alleged failure to prevent distribution of copyright-infringing content. Few, however, have been threatened with widespread blocking more often than Telegram. In a row that seemed ready to boil over last year, Telegram was given an ultimatum by the Malaysian government; come to the negotiating table or face the consequences. A Malaysian minister now says that Telegram is ready to fight piracy.

  • Kumatomic@lemmy.dbzer0.com
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    6 months ago

    Too bad Telegram isn’t as ready to fight Nazi propaganda on their service, but they would have to start with the white supremacist symbolism their own blog was slipping into release posts.

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      but they would have to start with the white supremacist symbolism their own blog was slipping into release posts.

      Can you provide a link for this? Interested in reading about it

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      6 months ago

      I rather have free speech, if you don’t like Telegram then use something else.

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        6 months ago

        Putting someone else’s life in danger (unprovoked) is not a free speech

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          6 months ago

          That’s different, free speech is not about putting people on danger.

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          6 months ago

          With open dialogue, education and respect you can have both.

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            How does/can dialogue, education, and respect include intolerance? Isn’t intolerance inherently disrespectful, uneducated, and non-dialogue?

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          It’s with polarization that things spin out of control. When the left thinks the right are nazi’s and the right think the left are commies, that’s when people become less critical of themselves and hatred spirals into a civil war, and the one that’s on top will do anything to prevent the ‘enemy’ taking over. Tolerating verbal intolerance is a good thing. That’s why your own statement is tolerated, it’s literally advocating intolerance (be it indirectly in favor of tolerance). I really don’t believe your statement is correct. Tolerance leads to tolerance. Intolerance leads to more intolerance. Not tolerating intolerance doesn’t make it disappear, it just makes people feel more strongly about it. When I cant think something or people look down on me for it, I am definitely gonna think it some more. Actual violence should of course not be tolerated. Ergo: is it ok to punch a nazi? No ofcourse not… unless the civil war has started yet and all tolerance is gone, but let’s not go there…

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            6 months ago

            I find your point interesting and I agree to some extent.

            When I have people around me that express some type of radical view I usually casually mention a slight disagreement or let it slide because I know going into a debate with me won’t really change much.

            However expressing opinions and feelings that are inherently based on hatred or lack of understanding, at least from what history has told, will lead to them being acted upon. Having resenting opinions about LGBT, for example, and grouping up with people with that mindset will probably spiral it into more lack of understanding and stronger opinions against it. Eventually leading to a growing and potentially spreading resentment against it. This extends to religion, skin colour, countries, mental diagnoses or anything else really.

            What the “core” is so to speak is about things that people can’t inherently control, being born differently, being born in a certain place, etc.

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        Nazi bullshit isn’t free speech. That’s a trash argument. You need to look inside and find what part of you is broken if you think otherwise. Fuck Nazi anything. They don’t have a right to free speech. They lost that when they became Nazi’s.

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        6 months ago

        Funny how the .ml admins are so opposed to free speech on their own server, then.

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        I’m disappointed so many people disagree with this. Yes, now they’re blocking opinions you don’t like, but if they choose to block opinions you agree with, I doubt they’d continue whistling the same tune.

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          There’s a big difference between blocking baseless, hate-fueled bullshit, and blocking actually credible information proving that people in power are encroaching on the rights and freedoms of others…

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          6 months ago

          It seems this instance is becoming like second Reddit.

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            6 months ago

            First you say you’d rather have freedom of speech when arguing about keeping racial bullshit alive on the platform.

            Then you say you’re against freedom of speech when the platform starts to look like Reddit with people calling out that racist troglodytes have no place in modern society.

            Hmmm, it’s almost like you don’t want freedom of speech, you want pools to blast diarrhea into.

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            6 months ago

            Sure, but what you’re describing isn’t freedom of speech; freedom of speech is the prohibition against the government taking action for the contents of the opinions you express. It has nothing to do with what a non-government platform allows or disallows.

            A platform that allows Nazis is a Nazi platform, plain and simple.

            I realize you’re probably a dishonest pos, so this is for the benefit of whoever else reads it.