Right, I think this is where we are misommunicating.

I use my fairphone as my daily. I also have to use OKTA, and stuff. And I dont use microg for them cause they don’t talk to google. I suppose technically the apps dont use microg, just like they dont use google.

The problem you are going to run into though is that google has baked itself into android that you need something to trick android into thinking its operable.

In stock android, you COULD have a workspace that only uses microg, but considering you otherwise MUST have play services… Why?

Alternatively, you can use microg to handle all your google bullshit to sign yourself in locally and actually use the services that require google without actually signing in to google.

Frankly, it sounds more like you want an Ubuntu/Linux (not android Linux) phone or something, but I’m not able to advise on that.

Possibly, maybe probably. If you dont want to degoogle, why use /e/os? Thats basically the explicit purpose. /e/is fills the same need as any degoogled ROM but is prepackaged on fairphone devices, no need to buy a pixel in order to use graphene. If you just want android, and the ability to use microg when you want and not when you dont, just use a normal android device.

The choice is google or microg. If you are cool doing Goole things, pick any other phone. If you have a different alternative that actually give full android functionality, including things like the google search built into the default android launcher, lemme know.

Your frustration is understood, but I feer its misplaced. The way you phrased your response suggests you are disappointed that /e/os doesnt behave like you want, when you should actually be frustrated with google for designinjng android that way.

1. no. Microg is baked in to try and get around the portions of google bullshit thats baked in.
2. yes, I have play services running because I cannot not have android auto.

Not in /e/os far as i can see. Maybe in aosp somehow? Frankly, I am not exactly a fan of many of the decisions Murena made. They’re motherfuckers about letting me do the things I actually want in the system, for example: just update my apps, dont notify me. I do not care unless you broke or can’t update. But no, I have to dismiss every successful app update.

Separate. Not entirely sure how it works but another user in thread brought it up, sec…

Skarn: Actually, no. e/OS includes MicroG, so even most app requiring Google services work just fine. What really doesnt’t work is Casting videos to a Chromecast, and anything requiting Play Integrity certification like Revolut.

Thought he provided more info, but yeah. Chromecast just does not function cause its basically in google walled garden.

By in large there is no difference to notice, riiiiight up till you get to invisible google integrations. A lot of people wont notice stuff like this, but android auto relys on google servers and big G managed to break microG for a couple days and we cannot cast to our Chromecast (ever :( )

It does but its not perfect. I love my phone, but its absolutely not for people who dont want to tinker with shit that breaks unexpectedly.

I am fully aware of what the fairphone I’m on is able to do. Thank you for assuming I dont have experience with what I’m talking about.

The biggest one was when play Services updated back kn December and broke maps for me, specifically on android auto.

Unless that app requires google play services…

Yep, I am agreeing with you. The statement was never snap and deb are identical, its that canonical is making them do identical things.

You are missing the attribution. The person you are replying to is making a joke that Canonical says they are the same, not that they are actually the same.

You are missing the attribution. The person you are replying to is making a joke that Canonical says they are the same, not that they are actually the same.

Sounds like someone wants their name added to the list

The questions still valid… Why would I simply be aware what year I was born in under the Chinese zodiac so that I could get a new SS card. You are missing the forest for the trees.

That’s not been my experience.

Granted, printers suuuuuck. But I was legit surprised when both the printing and scanning functions in Linux were hands down better than windows.

Training

Nazis aren’t interested in what communists have to say. A communist, for the record, is anyone a Nazi disagrees with. The only acceptable place for a communist, according to a nazi, is in the ground. If you want to let Nazis come for you, I guess that’s fine for you. When Nazis co.e for your loved ones and you Stans there like a fucking coward and let them take them because “much precious nonviolence” I guess that’s your call.

Relevant: https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=Gm9kOewCpuA

Read depot as despot and was like “now that’s an escalation!”